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Dr. Ergun Caner Response/Conclusion [11]
Dr. Ergun Caner Response [10]
Dr. Ergun Caner Response [9]
Mr. Nadir Ahmed Response [8]
Dr. Ergun Caner Response [7]
Dr. Ergun Caner Response [6]
Mr. Nadir Ahmed Response [5]
Dr. Ergun Caner Response [4]
Mr. Nadir Ahmed Response [3]
Mr. Nadir Ahmed Response [2]
Dr. Ergun Caner Response [1]

Mr. Nadir Ahmed's site: www.examinethetruth.com

Dr. Ergun Caner Response/Conclusion:
Date: January 23, 2006
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"Islam does not demand the death of all infidels, but does prescribe violence against the infidels in certain circumstances, but at anytime during the violence, the Muslim should work hard to try to broker a peace with the infidel, even if it will entail a great sacrifice. But, at no time are innocent civilians to be targeted in that violence."

ergun


Dr. Ergun Caner Response:
Date: January 17, 2006
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INNOCENTS VERSUS UNBELIEVERS

In our exchange, I have been considering Nadir Ahmed's words as we have discussed the recent conflicts. As I noted in the previous exchange, both Islam and Christianity have suffered in history from aberrant voices - those who would purport to speak for them.

During the Crusades, it was the papacy, calling for the death of all infidels, in the name of Christ. Though this dark chapter in Christian history was over a millennium ago, we still suffer from the horrific effects.

In our frank exchange, Mr. Ahmed was adamant - he did not, and does not, believe Islam calls for the death of the infidels. Neither does he know of any Muslim who does.

I not only take him at his word, I find great reasons for hope.

In the Christian community, it took men of courage such as Balthasar Hubmaier and some Reformation voices to change the course of Christian history. As believers in Jesus Christ as Lord, we are commanded to win the unbeliever to faith; we are not called to slaughter them.

In the Islamic world, we are seeing more and more Muslims speak out against the actions of those overseas. Indeed, today, CNN ran the story of the kidnapping of an American female journalist. Those holding her have promised to kill her unless all Iraqi women are released from prisons (Link).

Of interest in this discussion is a strong statement by CAIR (Council for American-Islamic Relations). In a press statement, they say:

"Journalists must be free to report on conflicts worldwide without fear of being targeted by combatants," the council said in a written statement. "We call for the immediate and unconditional release of Jill Carroll and for the release of all hostages held in Iraq. No cause can be served by harming those who only seek to convey the human suffering caused by war."

This should cause all of us to see hope. In previous days, some Islamic groups refused to agree with the Ben Ladin fatwa (February 23, 1998), but neither would they condemn it. Others would say that the Qur'an forbids the killing of innocent people, but they would not define who the "innocent" people are- Does that include Muslims who convert to Christianity, or does the death sentence still hold for them, because they are not "innocent?" Is belief in Christ a capital offense, punishable by death?

Yet the CAIR statement is without equivocation. Men of conviction should be applauded - .

It reminds me of a few years ago, when some deranged nut bombed an abortion clinic, killing the doctor. He claimed to be commanded by God to defend the life of the unborn, at any price- Shockingly, there was a hesitant silence from some quarters of the Christian community.

I state emphatically - I am pro-life, and believe abortion is murder. However, Christ never called us to "do the right thing, the wrong way." What that man did was murder- and not Christian in any form. Christians everywhere should have stood and shouted- this was NOT Christianity. Similarly, CAIR is doing the same in the Muslim community.

Perhaps we are seeing a new day in our relationships and discourse. I never want to be guilty of painting with too broad a brush, and I pray I am always authentic enough to give credit where credit is due.

ergun


Dr. Ergun Caner Response:
Date: December 16, 2005
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Nadir, I truly appreciate your desire to resolve this issue.

I pray that reasonable and intelligent Muslims who also hold to religious liberty come to leadership. Men such as yourself, who do not believe that Islam commands the death of apostates or civilians, would be leaders worthy of the Nobel Peace Prize.

Before you question my motives, I am absolutely sincere.

This is not solely a Muslim issue.
Christianity, from 1095 to the fifteenth century, had Roman Catholic leaders who believed and taught that Jesus Christ would forgive all men who killed in the name of Christ. Pope Gregory VII first attempted it, but in November of 1095, Pope Urban II actually made it the official doctrine of the Catholic church.

Horrifically, under the guise of "Christianity," crusaders brutally slaughtered Muslims, Jews and all others. They burned entire cities. They committed a heinous sin against humanity.

Nadir, I take it from your response that you disagree with Bin Laden, and all the others who are presently calling for jihad. Toward the end of your response- you asked, what verses of the Qur'an and/or the Hadith do I use to teach that Islam calls for the death of non-believers.

The salient point is, the following are not verse that I cite alone! In a constant stream, Islamic leaders such as al-Zwahiri, Rahman, Osama, and a myriad of others, not only call for the death of unbelievers, but they justify it by citing the Qur'an and the Hadith.

Do not take my word for it. Here are just a few links I offer to prove that my original statement was correct-- These people believe that Allah has commanded the death of the unbelievers, and they continue to hold tremendous influence:

Please notice- these are Islamic sites, not unbelievers who take the teachings out of context. These are answers from an Imam.

Now, as I said, such horrors have also been carried out in the name of Jesus. I will say without hesitation and with qualification- those that killed "in the name of Jesus" are in hellfire right now. Those that called men, women and even children (in 1212) to kill in the name of Jesus were NOT true Christians.

My question to you - do you believe that men such as those I have cited are going to make it into heaven? Will Osama be in heaven or hell? I know the Qur'an teaches that only Allah knows, but if he can perpetrate such brutality and wholesale slaughter, and enter paradise, then the only justification would be that he was following the commands of Allah.

I await your response, and I am grateful for your patience during the week of finals - I apologize to you and all who are following this discussion for my tardiness. I shall endeavor to be better in my correspondence-

ergun


Mr. Nadir Ahmed's Response:
Date: December 3, 2005
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Dr. Ergun Caner stated:

My statement on "they want us dead," regardless whether a person is a peace protestor or supporter ...

Response:

No, that was NOT your statement. Dr. Ergun Caner, let me remind you that we have your statement recorded on audio, there is no use hiding. Your statement was the following: At 40 minutes and 50 seconds of the audio clip, Dr. Ergun Caner stated:

"I had protestors every where I speak, I speak universities and conferences and crusades and such and there always protestors, and when the peace protestors are there , I often tell them, regardless of how big your sign is, regardless of against this war you are, you are still an infidel to my people, you are still a kaffir ... you still must die."

You clearly stated that according to “your people” (referring to followers of Islam), infidels (non believers) must die, how else is someone suppose to understand this statement? That is the only way we can interpret this statement given the context. Note, you did not say that "according to some terrorists like Bin Laden", as you are saying now! So, what are you actually trying to say Dr. Caner? Do you believe that according to Islam, all infidels must die? Yes or No? If No, then let's move on.

Dr. Ergun caner stated:

The simplest way to answer the question is to print the February 23, 1998 fatwa, signed by the men below.

The entire fatwa is included at the end of this letter for complete disclosure. It can be found at
http://www.fas.org/irp/world/para/docs/980223-fatwa.htm

Response:

No, this is not the simplest way. The simplest way and the only way is to show us in the Quran or the Sunnah of Prophet Muhammed(P) where it teaches that all infidels must die. You have not done so.

Dr. Ergun Caner stated:

The fatwa, as is evident, is signed by a number of Muslim leaders, from Saudi Arabia (Bin-Ladin), Egypt (al-Zawahiri and Taha), Pakistan (Hamzah) and Bangladesh (Rahman).

The edict of the fatwa is clear: "We -- with Allah's help -- call on every Muslim who believes in Allah and wishes to be rewarded to comply with Allah's order to kill the Americans and plunder their money wherever and whenever they find it." Notice: "EVERY Muslim...kill Americans...wherever and whenever." This is not out of context- it IS the context.

The enemy is also clear- "Americans and their allies -- civilians and military"

The combatants are also clear: "We also call on Muslim ulema, leaders, youths, and soldiers"

Of course, we see numerous quotes from the Qur'an and the Hadith as well, justifying the call to action.

Thus, the point is made.

The larger issue may be your objection, and this leads me to my questions to you-

ARE there Muslims who do want the death of the Americans, and who are willing to act on this fatwa? Yes.

However, are there Muslims who do NOT want to kill the Americans and who do NOT want to follow this fatwa? Yes.

Response:

These people are not "leaders", rather these people are Bin Laden's goons and nothing more. Why am I not surprised that you would pick the most rotten scum to represent Islam? I guess that is part of being a good propagandist. We can also apply the same “logic” to Christianity. Take for example Brian David Mitchell, a devout Bible believing Christian who kidnapped Elizabeth Smart because God told him to do it ( * )( * )( * ). Therefore, I have to ask the same questions you asked me:

ARE there white Christian males who do want to kidnap girls, and who are willing to act on this fatwa (religious verdict)? Yes.

However, are there white Christian males who do NOT want to kidnap girls and who do NOT want to follow this fatwa? Yes.

Should we be scared and hide our children from white Christian males? Of course, I'm not this stupid, I just hope Christians are not that stupid either. But the question we should be focusing on, is where does it teach in the Quran or Hadeeth that ALL infidels MUST die? Up till now, neither Bin Laden nor Dr. Ergun Caner has been able to produce a single verse which teach this. Now, there are verses which do endorse war in certain circumstances, as Islam possesses a just war doctrine which we can talk about later. And finally, as a point of correction, Bin Laden's warped fatwa was not because he believes ALL infidels MUST die. This is not the ideology of Al Qaeda or any terrorist organizations which I know of. Rather, the fatwa was issued as a result of occupation, continued aggression against the Iraqi people, and brutal Israeli terror.

Dr. Ergun Caner stated:

Internationally, their voices are few and far between. It was not until this year that the Fiqh Council here in America issued its own fatwa against terrorism. What took them so long?

Response:

False. Many have given fatwas condemning terrorism way before 911 ever happened, take for example Abdul Aziz Ibn Baaz ( * ), who died over 4 years ago. The rest Dr. Ergun Caner's statements is all off topic, therefore, I will not respond to them. Again ... the challenge is, Does Islam teach that ALL infidels MUST die? If you don’t believe this, then let’s move on.


Dr. Ergun Caner Response:
Date: November 30, 2005
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Dear Nadir Ahmed:

As we have returned from Thanksgiving break, I wanted to get right back into answering the question posted by Nadir Ahmed. To wit:

  1. The money (reward) is not an option. I reiterate the point that any exchange of money, from either side or for any purpose, defeats the open exchange we want to pursue.
  2. To "donate the money to charity" is a meaningless gesture, usually only used by politicians.
  3. My statement on "they want us dead," regardless whether a person is a peace protestor or supporter ...
  4. The simplest way to answer the question is to print the February 23, 1998 fatwa, signed by the men below.
  5. The entire fatwa is included at the end of this letter for complete disclosure. It can be found at http://www.fas.org/irp/world/para/docs/980223-fatwa.htm
  6. It is also found in many other places on the web, including the Arabic text, on the web of Cornell University's library: http://www.library.cornell.edu/colldev/mideast/fatw2.htm
  7. I include the web addresses to show that these are not "Christian" sites, or otherwise biased sites. Cornell is not known as a "hotbed" of conservative thought, and the FAS is the "Federation of American Scientists."
  8. The fatwa, as is evident, is signed by a number of Muslim leaders, from Saudi Arabia (Bin-Ladin), Egypt (al-Zawahiri and Taha), Pakistan (Hamzah) and Bangladesh (Rahman).
  9. The edict of the fatwa is clear: "We -- with Allah's help -- call on every Muslim who believes in Allah and wishes to be rewarded to comply with Allah's order to kill the Americans and plunder their money wherever and whenever they find it."
  10. Notice: "EVERY Muslim...kill Americans...wherever and whenever." This is not out of context- it IS the context.
  11. The enemy is also clear- "Americans and their allies -- civilians and military"
  12. The combatants are also clear: "We also call on Muslim ulema, leaders, youths, and soldiers"
  13. Of course, we see numerous quotes from the Qur'an and the Hadith as well, justifying the call to action.
  14. Thus, the point is made.
  15. The larger issue may be your objection, and this leads me to my questions to you-

ARE there Muslims who do want the death of the Americans, and who are willing to act on this fatwa? Yes.

However, are there Muslims who do NOT want to kill the Americans and who do NOT want to follow this fatwa? Yes.

Internationally, their voices are few and far between. It was not until this year that the Fiqh Council here in America issued its own fatwa against terrorism. What took them so long?

My question is - WHO is the voice for Islam? If there are peaceful Muslim groups, are they willing to call on Muslims to STOP the bombings and suicide attacks- IN those countries? And if so (because I do believe there are Muslims who want to stop this bloodshed), why do they not rise to the leadership in these places.

16. In summary - I have shown the evidence for the call for the death of ALL. Either Bin-Ladin is right, and all Muslims are obliged to fight, and thus you are wrong, or YOU are right, and Bin-Ladin is wrong. If Bin-Ladin is wrong then he has shed innocent blood and is in danger of damnation in Islamic doctrine.

Is Bin-Ladin wrong?

Ergun

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TEXT OF THE FATWA
23 February 1998

Shaykh Usamah Bin-Muhammad Bin-Ladin
Ayman al-Zawahiri, amir of the Jihad Group in Egypt
Abu-Yasir Rifa'i Ahmad Taha, Egyptian Islamic Group
Shaykh Mir Hamzah, secretary of the Jamiat-ul-Ulema-e-Pakistan
Fazlur Rahman, amir of the Jihad Movement in Bangladesh

Praise be to Allah, who revealed the Book, controls the clouds, defeats factionalism, and says in His Book: "But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the pagans wherever ye find them, seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war)"; and peace be upon our Prophet, Muhammad Bin-'Abdallah, who said: I have been sent with the sword between my hands to ensure that no one but Allah is worshipped, Allah who put my livelihood under the shadow of my spear and who inflicts humiliation and scorn on those who disobey my orders.

The Arabian Peninsula has never -- since Allah made it flat, created its desert, and encircled it with seas -- been stormed by any forces like the crusader armies spreading in it like locusts, eating its riches and wiping out its plantations. All this is happening at a time in which nations are attacking Muslims like people fighting over a plate of food. In the light of the grave situation and the lack of support, we and you are obliged to discuss current events, and we should all agree on how to settle the matter.

No one argues today about three facts that are known to everyone; we will list them, in order to remind everyone:

First, for over seven years the United States has been occupying the lands of Islam in the holiest of places, the Arabian Peninsula, plundering its riches, dictating to its rulers, humiliating its people, terrorizing its neighbors, and turning its bases in the Peninsula into a spearhead through which to fight the neighboring Muslim peoples.

If some people have in the past argued about the fact of the occupation, all the people of the Peninsula have now acknowledged it. The best proof of this is the Americans' continuing aggression against the Iraqi people using the Peninsula as a staging post, even though all its rulers are against their territories being used to that end, but they are helpless.

Second, despite the great devastation inflicted on the Iraqi people by the crusader-Zionist alliance, and despite the huge number of those killed, which has exceeded 1 million... despite all this, the Americans are once against trying to repeat the horrific massacres, as though they are not content with the protracted blockade imposed after the ferocious war or the fragmentation and devastation.

So here they come to annihilate what is left of this people and to humiliate their Muslim neighbors.

Third, if the Americans' aims behind these wars are religious and economic, the aim is also to serve the Jews' petty state and divert attention from its occupation of Jerusalem and murder of Muslims there. The best proof of this is their eagerness to destroy Iraq, the strongest neighboring Arab state, and their endeavor to fragment all the states of the region such as Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, and Sudan into paper statelets and through their disunion and weakness to guarantee Israel's survival and the continuation of the brutal crusade occupation of the Peninsula.

All these crimes and sins committed by the Americans are a clear declaration of war on Allah, his messenger, and Muslims. And ulema have throughout Islamic history unanimously agreed that the jihad is an individual duty if the enemy destroys the Muslim countries. This was revealed by Imam Bin-Qadamah in "Al- Mughni," Imam al-Kisa'i in "Al-Bada'i," al-Qurtubi in his interpretation, and the shaykh of al-Islam in his books, where he said: "As for the fighting to repulse [an enemy], it is aimed at defending sanctity and religion, and it is a duty as agreed [by the ulema]. Nothing is more sacred than belief except repulsing an enemy who is attacking religion and life."

On that basis, and in compliance with Allah's order, we issue the following fatwa to all Muslims:

The ruling to kill the Americans and their allies -- civilians and military -- is an individual duty for every Muslim who can do it in any country in which it is possible to do it, in order to liberate the al-Aqsa Mosque and the holy mosque [Mecca] from their grip, and in order for their armies to move out of all the lands of Islam, defeated and unable to threaten any Muslim. This is in accordance with the words of Almighty Allah, "and fight the pagans all together as they fight you all together," and "fight them until there is no more tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in Allah."

This is in addition to the words of Almighty Allah: "And why should ye not fight in the cause of Allah and of those who, being weak, are ill-treated (and oppressed)? -- women and children, whose cry is: 'Our Lord, rescue us from this town, whose people are oppressors; and raise for us from thee one who will help!'"

We -- with Allah's help -- call on every Muslim who believes in Allah and wishes to be rewarded to comply with Allah's order to kill the Americans and plunder their money wherever and whenever they find it. We also call on Muslim ulema, leaders, youths, and soldiers to launch the raid on Satan's U.S. troops and the devil's supporters allying with them, and to displace those who are behind them so that they may learn a lesson.

Almighty Allah said: "O ye who believe, give your response to Allah and His Apostle, when He calleth you to that which will give you life. And know that Allah cometh between a man and his heart, and that it is He to whom ye shall all be gathered."

Almighty Allah also says: "O ye who believe, what is the matter with you, that when ye are asked to go forth in the cause of Allah, ye cling so heavily to the earth! Do ye prefer the life of this world to the hereafter? But little is the comfort of this life, as compared with the hereafter. Unless ye go forth, He will punish you with a grievous penalty, and put others in your place; but Him ye would not harm in the least. For Allah hath power over all things."

Almighty Allah also says: "So lose no heart, nor fall into despair. For ye must gain mastery if ye are true in faith."


Dr. Ergun Caner Response:
Date: November 20, 2005
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Dear Nadir Ahmed:

My response shall come after the Thanksgiving break.

Sincerely:

ergun


Mr. Nadir Ahmed's Response:
Date: November 20, 2005
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Not so fast Caner, did you forget about this?:

http://www.examinethetruth.com/Ergun_Caner/challenge_to_Ergun_Caner.htm

A clear challenge was presented to you, to show evidence for your allegations which you have trumpeted all across the country via guest appearances, radio and television shows into millions of homes:

"I had protestors every where I speak, I speak universities and conferences and crusades and such and there always protestors, and when the peace protestors are there , I often tell them, regardless of how big your sign is, regardless of against this war you are, you are still an infidel to my people, you are still a kaffir ... you still must die."

Rather than responding to this direct challenge, you ignored it, and bought forth some irrelevant topic of "questions concerning Christianity versus Islam", perhaps hoping that people may forget about the challenge? Well ... I didn't forget. Rather it has remained fresh on my mind, I was just seeing how far this was going to go.

Therefore, I am forced to request you for a second time, and please show us conclusive evidence for your allegations against Islam, and claim the $5000.00 cash prize! And please don't give me this stuff about:

"Take the money OFF the table - I do not do this for money"( * )

This is nothing but theatrics. If you don't want the money, then you can give it to charity, perhaps the hurricane Katrina fund. In conclusion, we have been down this road before, as Craig Winn tried to make a similar claim, but was badly defeated by Jalal Abualrub on the nationally syndicated Mike Gallagher radio show, you can download the debate here. I don't believe Dr. Ergun Caner will fair any better, because this statement is completely false. We await your response.


Dr. Ergun Caner Response:
Date: November 3, 2005
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Dear Nadir Ahmed:

I am looking forward to the refution. I await any question concerning Christianity, as you noted at the beginning of the previous e-mail. I like the permanence of an e-mail debate, because the words are recorded far longer, and in a much wider scope, than in a simple debate.

More Christians are asking questions on this end- when will you begin to send me questions concerning Christianity versus Islam? I do not wish to "enter a legal debate," as you noted. I am interested in an e-mail exchange, for the millions online to read, to such topics as Jesus as prophet or Savior, the Qur'an versus the Bible, etc.

This is far more reaching than an exchange about people. This is about truth and eternity. I hope you are willing to enter into the debate. Ask any question you wish. I stand ready.

Sincerely:

ergun


Mr. Nadir Ahmed's Response:
Date: November 2, 2005
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Subject: more Muslims are asking questions...

Salamalekum,

The Islamic Center of Peoria is working with us and  has also confronted Ergun Caner with my refutation:

more to come :)

Thanks,
Nadir Ahmed

www.ExamineTheTruth.com


Mr. Nadir Ahmed's Response:
Date: October 31, 2005
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Hello there ... good to hear from you. You wrote:

If your aim is to simply attack me, or other Muslims who have converted to Christianity, then I have absolutely no interest in this discussion.

If, however, you would like to DEBATE the issues of Christianity versus Islam, then I believe we might have an interesting opportunity. Here is what I propose:

Response:
I accept your offer to debate the issue of Christianity versus Islam. We can sit down and discuss this like gentlemen, why not?

You wrote:

I am interested, however, in a debate via e-mail.

Neither I, nor the Muslims, or for that matter even the Christians are interested in creating some complex 53424432 page legal document with you. Here ... let me explain to you what I mean as I share with you this true story:

Once upon a time, there lived a very wealthy millionaire named Craig Winn who wrote a nasty little book entitled, Prophet of Doom. Craig Winn went all across the country spreading his venom against Islam from radio to televisions shows doing LIVE interviews after interviews reaching out to millions upon millions of people, all the while, never thinking that his views would be called into question. but he was wrong. That was his first miscalculation. ExamineTheTruth.com, and my good buddy Jalal Abdualrub and other apologists hunted him down for the purpose of exposing his misinformation and false scholarship.

At first, Craig Winn refused to allow his views to be question in a debate. Rather, he restricted the people who had opposing views to email exchanges, and thought that would suffice, while he spread his propaganda via radio and television to millions upon millions of people. That was his second miscalculation. You can imagine the reaction if John Kerry refused to debate George Bush and instead suggested to do some written paper exercises ... ridiculous. Needless to say, the Islamic delegations refused and demanded a fair debate face to face, there can be no substitute for this. In response to this Islamic debate challenge, Craig Winn issued the following
statement :

"And Nadir, Osama, Jalal, and all the others are too late. Craig has returned to his first love-Yahweh's Scriptures. After doing 1500 hours of live broadcast interviews and debates on the direct connection between Islam and terrorism, Craig has received a promotion. He no longer has to spend his days wallowing in Satan's hellish scriptures. He has returned to amplifying the full meaning of Yahweh's words as they are presented in His prophetic writings."

To put it short, Craig Winn refused, and ran from the debate challenge. The Muslims were standing firm and ready to debate their beliefs, but the Christian's legs were wobbly. His retreat was a terrible embarrassment for his flock of followers, and even worse, he lost credibility and could not be taken seriously. Craig Winn's flock expected an aggressive challenge to be met with an even more aggressive defeat and humiliation of Islamic apologists and Imaams. But, these supporters soon found out that their fearless leaders was NOT what they thought he would be and fell way short of their expectations.

As a result of the Winn bubble bursting, many of these Christian readers turned to Islamic websites to get a more balanced approach, and many have left their prejudices against Islam behind. I have received many emails from faithfreedom.org, prophetofdoom.net and answering-islam.org expressing their reservations over this.

Left with no choice, Craig Winn caved into the pressure of both Christians and Muslims and backtracked on his previous statement, he ignored "Yahweh's promotion", and decided:

"Let's get it on ..."

He then accepted the debate challenge proposed by Jalal Abdualrub on the nationally syndicated Mike Gallagher radio show, and was exposed very badly (you can download the debate here). In front of millions probably, Jalal Abdualrub cornered him and challenged him to show where Islam promotes terrorism, but Craig Winn was not able to produce. Thus, Craig Winn went down like a clown from the boogie town.

End of story ...

Therefore, just like our response to Craig Winn ... Ergun Caner, you have conducted probably one of the most intense media propaganda campaigns against Islam appearing on countless radio and television shows beamed into the homes of millions upon millions of people, but ... when knowledgeable Muslims calls your views into question, you restrict him to some email exchange? I'm sorry, but we will have to decline your offer. As I mentioned, neither the Muslims nor the Christians will settle for this, so it's really out of my hands. Rather we request a face to face public debate in front of a live audience. There is no substitute for this. Just like how you encourage our young Americans to be brave ... face the enemy head on in Iraq, you should also show the same courage, and face ExamineTheTruth.com in a fair, moderated debate in which we discuss the *truth* claims of Islam and Christianity in a respectful dignified manor ... and do it for them. The ball is in your court Caner.

Considering that you have spoken at thousands of churches or Christian organizations, then perhaps that would be a good venue for the debate? If not, then I have several MSAs and different colleges where I debated at and Mosques who would gladly sponsor the debate, just let me know. Also, in the spirit of fair debate, we will provide you with all our material and arguments before hand so you can be prepared.


Dr. Ergun Caner Response:
October 28, 2005
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Dear Mr. Ahmed:

I have read with fascination some of your writings against me and others, concerning Islam.

Normally, I ignore most of these letters, due to the fact that the author is just interested in attacking the person, rather than discussing and debating the facts. If your aim is to simply attack me, or other Muslims who have converted to Christianity, then I have absolutely no interest in this discussion.

If, however, you would like to DEBATE the issues of Christianity versus Islam, then I believe we might have an interesting opportunity. Here is what I propose:

THE MOST IMPORTANT ISSUE: Take the money OFF the table - I do not do this for money. I am interested, however, in a debate via e-mail.

1. You pick any topic you wish, concerning why you do not believe in Jesus Christ as Messiah. E-mail your question to me here.

2. I will answer. We both should keep our answers as brief as possible, so as to give space for further dialogue.

3. I promise you I will post both the question and answers, in their ENTIRETY, and UNEDITED, on my website. I ask that you agree to do the same. I will not, in any way, add any commentary to the exchange. I will post it "as is." Again, I ask that you do the same on your website.

4. Our answers (and questions) should deal with the topic of Christianity vs. Islam as stated.

5. After I answer you, I will then ask you a question along those same lines. Again, I promise that I will post the full exchange, UNEDITED. Your full and complete response on the topic will be posted on erguncaner.com.

6. We can continue to do this for any number of questions - but I am really interested in this. This can be an actual Cyber-Debate on some of the most important issues of eternal significance.

If you are in agreement with these points, Mr. Ahmed, then I believe we are in agreement. You shall defend Islam, and I shall defend Christianity. Let the readers of our respective websites decide for themselves.

I look forward to your response:

emc

Ergun Mehmet Caner

 





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